20 Nov
2015
20 Nov
'15
4:37 p.m.
For objects, once all the caps have been deleted the object must be
taken out of use. The "finaliseCap" function in seL4 ("finalise_cap"
in
the spec) does this cleanup.
Capability delegation works differently though. A parent capability can
(usually) be deleted without cleaning up its children. If an initial
Untyped is split into objects and the Untyped cap deleted, the objects
persist, as long as their caps persist. I think this will be true of the
master I/O cap also.
Cheers,
Thomas.
On 20/11/15 11:46, Raymond Jennings wrote:
So for objects...all caps go poof means the object is
deleted.
But if all the caps for a memory frame go poof, the memory effectively
has no owner and becomes abandoned and permanently orphaned from the
system?
Hmm...what about the master I/O capability? I assume that if that one
went, nobody could do I/O?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Gerwin Klein
<Gerwin.Klein(a)nicta.com.au <mailto:Gerwin.Klein@nicta.com.au>> wrote:
Just to make sure we keep the terminology straight: seL4 only has
master capabilities, no master objects.
The master cap is the cap that you get when you create the object.
It confers full rights to that object. You can copy the cap, i.e.
create derived caps to the same object, potentially with
restricted rights, so that there is still only the one object, but
potentially many caps to it.
If you revoke+delete this master cap, all caps derived from it are
deleted, the object is deleted, and the memory can be reused (if
there is still an untyped capability around that covers that
memory, which allows you to create objects). If you also remove
all untyped caps to that memory, the memory becomes inaccessible
to the system.
In general, an object is deleted and made available for reuse if
the last typed cap to that object is deleted. Memory is available
for reuse if there is an untyped cap that covers that memory
(potentially existing children of that untyped cap might have to
be revoked first as well).
In case of the root thread, it may actually hold the only caps to
some objects in the system. For instance, it might have created a
frame and mapped it into some thread’s address space, but never
given the frame cap to that thread, because it doesn’t want to
give the thread any power to remap, unmap, or share the frame. If
you now delete the frame cap in the root thread, that frame gets
unmapped and made available for reuse. If nobody else has an
untyped cap that covers this memory, it becomes inaccessible. If
you keep the frame cap in an inert CNode, you force it to be
static and available for the entire lifetime of the system. If you
give it instead to a trusted OS server personality, it could be
reused dynamically during runtime. Just depends on what you want
to do and how you set things up.
Cheers,
Gerwin
On 20 Nov 2015, at 10:06 am, Raymond Jennings
<shentino(a)gmail.com
<mailto:shentino@gmail.com>> wrote:
What happens to those master objects if the capabilities go
poof? Do they get locked up forever, or...as I suspect...do they
just escheat to the public as abandoned?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Gerwin Klein
<Gerwin.Klein(a)nicta.com.au <mailto:Gerwin.Klein@nicta.com.au>> wrote:
Hi Robbie,
it depends on how your root thread is set up.
If it holds remaining master capabilities to objects in the
system, you need to make sure those are not destroyed,
because deleting them would delete those objects.
If you don’t want to hand out these master caps and untyped
caps to the rest of the system (often there are good reasons
for that), you would usually leave them in an inert CNode
that also has a capability to itself. That CNode could just
be the root thread CNode.
You can then safely destroy the root thread, e.g. make it
suspend itself. If nobody else has a capability to it, it can
never run again.
Cheers,
Gerwin
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https://sel4.systems/lists/listinfo/devel On 20 Nov 2015, at 3:34 am, Robert VanVossen
<Robert.VanVossen(a)dornerworks.com
<mailto:Robert.VanVossen@dornerworks.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I was wondering if I can safely destroy my application root
thread after I
have
setup the capabilities and memory mappings for
all of my
other threads in the
system?
Thanks,
Robbie VanVossen
DornerWorks
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