August 2019 - Devel - lists.sel4.systems

seL4 test on x86
by Yevgeny Lavrov 30 Jan '25

30 Jan '25

Hello, I'm new to seL4 and I'm just doing it for learning purpose. I'm trying to run seL4 test suite or simple hello world task from seL4 tutorials on the real hardware. So far I had no problems compiling seL4 test suite and running via QEMU for both x32 and x64 platforms. However, when I try to run it on the actual hardware following Running on real hardware tutorial for x86 I end up with no output at all and no error msgs that can give me a clue on where something went wrong. After compiling seL4test for x86, I ended up with two images in sel4_dir/images/ folder. Copied them over to /boot/sel4/ folder and created a new GRUB2 entry that looks like this menuentry “seL4 test suite” --class os { load video insmod gzio insmod part_msdos insmod ext2 set root=’(hd0,msdos5)’ multiboot /boot/sel4/kernel-ia32-pc99 module /boot/sel4/sel4test-driver-image-ia32-pc99 } update grub, restart and select the new entry from GRUB menu. I end up with blinking cursor on the top-left side of the screen. Please advise.

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Stuck during invalidate local TLB in Tx2
by Muneeswaran Rajendran 16 Oct '24

16 Oct '24

Hi seL4 Dev team, Can someone explain the reason (share the reference) to invalidate the local TLB during kernel vspace activation as part CPU initialisation. The Tx2 board stuck while performing this operation. As per my understanding both Tx1 and Tx2 are using same A57 core. so the TLB initialisation and invalidation remain same for Tx2 and should not stuck during invalidation.Please correct me if anything wrong here. I understand from that instruction (tlbi vmalle1) which is invalidating stage 1 entries associated to the current VMID. Also from arm mmu code the seL4 setting up (TCR_EL1) TCR register addressing space as 48bit, ASID as 16bit and page table setup 4k granular size. I am using MRS macro to dump the spsr_el1 and dspsr_el0 register to see the state of processor but its throwing synchronous exception. Do we have any other option to dump all the register content to see the state of processor like we have one in 'sel4debug_dump_registers' which is used in sel4test code. Regards, Muneeswaran R

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Questions about Memory Management in seL4
by Daniel Wang 19 May '23

19 May '23

Hi all, Sorry to bother, I have some basic questions about seL4 memory management. Can someone help me? 1. where is the kernel’s address space? I know there are basically three methods: a) separate virtual address space, e.g. through changing page tables on entry into privileged mode to access b) physical space, e.g. through disable automatic hardware translation of virtual addresses on entry into privilege mode c) privilege region in each process’s virtual address space, e.g. through page table to map kernel address into use-mode process. My question is which of this is being used by seL4 microkernel? 2. Objects like CSpace, VSpace, CNode, TCB, Endpoint, etc. are called kernel objects, but it seems all dynamically allocated in thread running/creating time. Are those objects (e.g. Figure 3.3 in seL4 manual) in kernel space or in user space? 3. I read that after the kernel boot up, it passes all resources, untyped memory to the first thread. Are those untyped memory physical memory or virtual memory in a single page? The reason I ask is I’m learning the code of the UNSW AOS project (two of the assignment projects are implementing frame and papers). I’m confused that before the implementation of frames and pages what kind of memory is passed to the the first thread? I saw int AOS project, it uses ut_table_init(), ut_steal_mem(), I wonder what kind of memory it operates on? Thanks -Dan

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Is there a "modern" seL4 manifest/configuration that is known to run on CMA34CR?
by Nogin, Aleksey 24 Nov '19

24 Nov '19

Unless I am looking in the wrong place, all the CMA34CR support was removed in https://github.com/seL4/camkes-vm/commit/aab3478acc4705a3161f5bf59625f7c96a…. Is there something that remains? If not, what would be the best starting point to try to port a demo running on CMA34CR board from an old (early 2017) version of the sel4/camkes/etc to a recent stable release (e.g, 10.1.1)? Thanks. Aleksey CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information transmitted in this email, including attachments, is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy any copies of this information in their entirety.

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TLB issue
by Stefan Kalkowski 15 Nov '19

15 Nov '19

Dear sel4 community, yesterday I've started to develop a low-level platform test to stress several multi-processor aspects on top of the Genode API. Thereby, I've recognized that on sel4/x86_64 the TLB is practically not always cleaned properly in SMP systems. The test spawns threads of one protection domain on each available cpu. Each thread accesses one of the first words of a shared dataspace. Afterwards the main thread on CPU 0 detaches and destroys the dataspace. Unfortunately, the threads on other CPUs still successfully access the corresponding memory instead of triggering a fault. To be able to reproduce the problem, you might investigate the simple test case here: https://github.com/skalk/genode/commit/2d2d7f982555f551227ad5dcbf9df46705d7… My colleague Alexander Boettcher already investigated the problem in part, and might share his insights with you. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Kalkowski Genode labs https://github.com.skalk | https://genode.org

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Re: [seL4] CapDL output to isabelle file
by Lim, Japheth (Data61, Kensington NSW) 04 Oct '19

04 Oct '19

Hi Norrathep, Norrathep Rattanavipanon wrote: > I have been trying to generate Isabelle file from CapDL specification. But > I run into an error when I'm running the command: > > ./parse-capDL --isabelle=out.thy --object-sizes=object_sizes.yaml > example-arm.cdl > We recently put in a major change to the Isabelle translator. The input capDL file is now required to be pre-allocated, i.e. every object must be placed in an untyped with a known physical address. The existing example files date from before this change, and so they don't meet the requirements to be translated into Isabelle. Sorry that you got confusing error messages as a result. We plan to make this more consistent in the near future. > Is there any step I'm missing? Or does the tool not support the conversion > to Isabelle? The standard way is to build a CAmkES application with the option `CAmkESCapDLStaticAlloc` enabled. This will generate a suitable capDL file for proofs. Based on your other question thread, you may be interested in our README for CAmkES proofs: https://github.com/seL4/camkes-tool/tree/master/cdl-refine-tests This generates proofs between the CAmkES high-level model and the capDL system representation. However, we are not working on C glue code proofs at the moment. This is all work in progress, and quite rough around the edges. Nevertheless, we're happy to try to answer any questions you might have. It would help if we knew more about your work, so that we can give more specific replies. Cheers, Japheth Lim Proof Engineer, Trustworthy Systems

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Initialising Camkes App before another dependent Camkes app
by yogidk . 03 Oct '19

03 Oct '19

Hi, I have a Camkes app (app1) which depends on another Camkes app (app2), which means my app1 must start only after app2 is completely initialized. For this currently I use a signal RPC wait in app1 and the corresponding RPC emit from app2 after app2 is completely initialized. Is there any other way in CamkES which will ensure that app1 starts only after app2 is completely initialized without using RPC signalling (emit and wait) ? How can this dependency be built ? Regards yk

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Sel4 for quadcore riscv64imafd
by Sreenadh S 03 Oct '19

03 Oct '19

I want to build sel4 for quadcore riscv64imafd and run the test programs, how to do that? Regards, Sreenadh S, CDAC, Trivandrum, India

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seL4_FailedLookup in vmware
by KAP Benjamin 03 Oct '19

03 Oct '19

Hello I set up VMware according to this guide https://docs.sel4.systems/Hardware/VMware/ (using serial output to file) and compiled the picoserver CAmkES application (for x86_64) to run inside the VMware machine. However, I do encounter a seL4_FailedLookup error. I understand the error message but cannot figure out why it occurs nor how to fix it (probably my pci configuration is wrong). Attached you find the serial_output file. For the ethernet configuration I used linux in the same VM to figure out the details: 1) ip addr: 2: ens32: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether 00:0c:29:90:a7:4a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 2) lspci -vvv: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 10) Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] PCnet - Fast 79C971 Physical Slot: 32 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx- Latency: 64 (1500ns min, 63750ns max) Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 18 Region 0: I/O ports at 2000 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at fd500000 [disabled] [size=64K] Kernel driver in use: pcnet32 Kernel modules: pcnet32 3) dmesg | grep "02:00.0": ... [ 0.378516] pci 0000:02:00.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0xfd500000-0xfd50ffff pref] ... 4) lspci -nn: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] [1022:2000] (rev 10) And here the configuration part inside picoserver.camkes (anything else NOT pasted here is unmodified): picoserver.ethdriver_mac = [0x00, 0x0c, 0x29, 0x90, 0xa7, 0x4a]; .... hwethdriver.mmio_paddr = 0xfd500000 hwethdriver.mmio_size = 0x10000 hwethdriver.irq_irq_type = "pci"; hwethdriver.irq_irq_ioapic = 0; hwethdriver.irq_irq_ioapic_pin = 18; hwethdriver.irq_irq_vector = 18; ethdriver.iospaces = "0x0:0x02:0x00:0"; ethdriver.iospace_id = 0x0200; ethdriver.pci_bdf = "0x02:0x00.0"; I am sorry to bother you with this; I am fairly new to low level stuff. Any help would be very much appreciated. Best regards, Benjamin

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seL4 UART input (on RISC-V)?
by Ortiz, Baltazar 22 Aug '19

22 Aug '19

Hi all, I've been looking through the seL4 libraries and examples, and it seems to me that serial input should in some way be possible - the refos example appears to have a terminal, and I would imagine that debugging via GDB requires input in addition to output. However, the code to do this is unclear to me. Calling getchar() or similar leads to the unimplemented readv syscall, and calling __arch_getchar or similar causes a cap error even after running platsupport_serial_setup_simple(). Is there a step I'm missing? I'm specifically trying to get this working on RISC-V. Thanks, Baltazar ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________

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CapDL output to isabelle file
by Norrathep Rattanavipanon 21 Aug '19

21 Aug '19

Hello, I have been trying to generate Isabelle file from CapDL specification. But I run into an error when I'm running the command: ./parse-capDL --isabelle=out.thy --object-sizes=object_sizes.yaml example-arm.cdl warning: specifying untyped child multiple times is deprecated: ut = a, child = name warning: specifying untyped child multiple times is deprecated: ut = b, child = name warning: specifying untyped child multiple times is deprecated: ut = something, child = rm_ut parse-capDL: CapDL/PrintIsabelle.hs:180:15-71: Irrefutable pattern failed for pattern ut@(Untyped {maybePaddr = Just utPaddr}) where example-arm.cdl is the example I got from CapDL repo ( https://github.com/seL4/capdl/blob/master/capDL-tool/example-arm.cdl) And object_sizes.yaml contains: seL4_TCBObject: 10 seL4_EndpointObject: 4 seL4_NotificationObject: 4 seL4_SmallPageObject: 12 seL4_LargePageObject: 16 seL4_ASID_Pool: 12 seL4_ASID_Table: 10 seL4_Slot: 4 seL4_Value_MinUntypedBits: 4 seL4_Value_MaxUntypedBits: 29 seL4_PageTableObject: 10 seL4_PageDirectoryObject: 14 seL4_ARM_SectionObject: 20 seL4_ARM_SuperSectionObject: 24 seL4_IOPageTableObject: 12 seL4_IOPorts: 0 seL4_IODevice: 0 seL4_ARMIODevice: 0 seL4_IRQ: 0 seL4_IOAPICIRQ: 0 seL4_MSIIRQ: 0 The same error also occurs when I used parse-capdL executable generated by Camkes repo. Is there any step I'm missing? Or does the tool not support the conversion to Isabelle? Best, Norrathep -- Norrathep (Oak) Rattanavipanon M.S. in Computer Science University of California - Irvine

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Shared memory in CapDL
by Norrathep Rattanavipanon 12 Aug '19

12 Aug '19

Hi, I have been reading Andrew Boyton's thesis about CapDL and realized that CapDL does not support a shared memory page. Is it still a limitation in CapDL/Camkes? Or has it somehow been addressed? Does this limitation include the case where a page is mapped/shared with different access rights? e.g., a page is mapped writable to one process and the same page is mapped only readable to another process? Best, Norrathep -- Norrathep (Oak) Rattanavipanon M.S. in Computer Science University of California - Irvine

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How to use sel4runtime
by Ortiz, Baltazar 10 Aug '19

10 Aug '19

Hi all, Another (less exclusively RISC-V related, though I am targeting RISC-V still) question - I've been trying to figure out the sel4runtime repo, but I'm a bit confused on how to set it up. Specifically: * How much of a "minimal seL4 environment" do I need to initialize first? * Do does my program with main() also need to specify a root task, or is that part of the minimal environment? * Is there a specific recommended location for the sel4runtime repo? Thanks! Baltazar ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________

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SeL4 on 32 bit RISC-V
by Ortiz, Baltazar 09 Aug '19

09 Aug '19

Hi all, I'm looking into getting seL4 booting on 32 bit RISC-V. Currently working with seL4test 10.1.1, QEMU 4.0.0, and an upstream copy of riscv-gnu-toolchain (is there a specific release I should try?). I'm able to get seL4 to build after deleting a few CONST labels that the compiler was complaining about, but when I try to run the simulation script, I get the following output: > ./simulate -b /home/baltazar/qemu/build/riscv32-softmmu/qemu-system-riscv32 > /home/baltazar/qemu/build/riscv32-softmmu/qemu-system-riscv32 -machine spike_v1.10 -nographic -s -serial mon:stdio -m size=2000M -kernel images/sel4test-driver-image-riscv-spike > bbl loader > /host/sel4test-upstream-riscv/tools/riscv-pk/machine/minit.c:74: assertion failed: !(read_csr(misa) & fd_mask) > Power off Are there any tricks for getting this working right now? Thanks, Baltazar ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________

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